For people who never learned or who taught themselves not to take seriously the other bad consequences, getting caught is probably all they worry about. I’m not sure there’s a way back. Several states today allow people to kill over propertry crimes, Texas did not long ago (and may sill) Its a petty sum but it is in line with the thinking in parts of our society right now. In other words, my point was just inside a small blob of maybe not being a monster, and I knew that being a monster was a short distance away. I wish I could do that today, but between my health and the shortage of water in Colorado, it’s just not feasible. The academics call it “safety-first agriculture.” I’ve talked to farmers who did it well into the 1970s. If you’re not floating in a bodiless place where your every wish is gratified – human meeting human causes trouble and pain and inconvenience for everyone. Baby feet in jars? Instead, increasing swaths of our culture want to follow the Austin Powers model: “…as long as people are still having promiscuous sex with many anonymous partners without protection while at the same time experimenting with mind-expanding drugs in a consequence-free environment, I’ll be sound as a pound!”. A third of what we raised went to my grandmother, or others of my family that were having a hard time. The defendant was most definitely not insane. On the issue of tribalism, I agree completely. In fact, in the ag newspapers and journals from the late 1800s and early 1900s, the editors encouraged people moving into the Texas Panhandle and eastern New Mexico to practice “stock farming” as a form of safety-first agriculture. I think that public executions are both a waste of time and effort AND exactly the wrong sort of public spectacle for the government to engage in. If we cannot, then we kill them. There are some ways to detect this early, but they are currently expensive, and–most importantly–having a particular brain structure doesn’t guarantee that one will participate in evil. What saved me from evil is that I was too fatigued to do anything about it. Shorty rolled up on his mongoose clappin' the Rug' The ability to kill without remorse and act with thought about long term consequences can be fairly useful in a world of violence and danger as long as you can distinguish between your tribe and everything else. They were talking about things like Bastinado, Drawing and Quartering, etc. Yes, I know, I’m mean, evil, wicked, bad, cruel and heartless. Personally I think the vast majority of these cases are whiny little..Ahem… who know that if they even threaten to scream rape they can get away with all sorts of things, and when someone with a backbone tells them exactly what sort of special snowflake they are, they carry through with the threat. You’ve stopped respecting humanity and therefore rendered yourself less than human. The Ohio case shows someone caring only about his own gratification and disregarding the others’ well-being. It is clear you have never had to been in the situation where you’ve had to stand over the body of a someone who has been murdered over a five dollar bill or have ever had to explain to a child why his mother or father won’t be coming home. At any rate He already knows it and is probably laughing — but the only one where it might be one of the contributing causes for whom he becomes (Athena’s father) and the evil he does, it’s not a single cause and he might have been a wrongun anyway. When I was twelve or fourteen I had an explanation for the evil in the world. If on the other hand the consequences of killing their neighbor only result in 90 days, they very well may reassess the situation and decide that 90 days in jail is preferable to cleaning dog crap off their sidewalk for the next 14 years. So I would be more likely to focus on the sort of sources which merely say ‘this was their custom in dealing with prisoners’. I worked in a mainly male electronics repair shop in the Navy. Piano Wire.”. Farmers should have big gardens, along with wheat for cash, and raise some pigs, chickens, and cattle. No, it’s not. In both ways of reading that– same way I’m not “really” a woman when I’m against abortion. As for urban environments, for evolutionary purposes we’ve been living in them for the last two thousand years, maybe five thousand. While I’m not particularly supportive of capital punishment (you can’t un-kill a wrongly convicted person), and many people claim it does not function as a deterrent, there is one thing you can’t deny: Executed criminals have a 0% recidivism rate. Since she was a hard worker and did her job well– I believed her. Thus, body counts include very small bodies. Sorry. [Break] That if a country thought imprisonment too cruel but execution just fine, you’d go with that? Once you view a living, breathing, real person’s death at your hands as a means to an end, you’ve crossed some threshold. It’s the last defense against people who have no moral sense or feeling of moral responsibility. The risk of being a victim of crime varies by social groups. Or leave 'em alone It is also the source of most of what is Good in this world, because absent free choice there is no Good, there is merely obeying orders. Part of this is that “being good” requires, say, refraining from murdering those who annoy you every time, while to “be bad” could mean you only do it one in a dozen times. Their first release was a DIY limited edition 6 track cassette (120 copies released and sold out). (With the implication that you shouldn’t treat yourself as a mere thing any more than you treat someone else as a thing.) I would support capital punishment if I trusted the justice system (in any country) more, but right now it doesn’t necessarily seem to work very well anywhere, often it seems it’s more of a game of one-upmanship between the players, in all of its stages, than a genuine effort to find the truth, plus in those places where there is lots of crime simple lack of time and other resources can make the whole thing seem rather haphazard. As the philosophes of Ancient Greece well knew, the first-rate mind was capable of reaching correct knowledge through the application of pure reason alone. Before I hop in my Impala with my head in the breeze There are so many shades of gray.”, “There’s no grays, only white that’s got grubby. Earlier, I had to tune back some of what I thought about saying because I started to realize some of these issues. 6 Figga Nigga. Age – Younger people are more at risk of victimisation – those most at risk of being murdered are infants under one (infanticide), while teenagers are more vulnerable than adults to assault, sexual harassment, theft and abuse. As I say again– you have lived through this period of infantalizing men and women so you might not even know it is happening or understand what is happening. Or perhaps there should be some consequences (not as maybes but as a matter of course) for the people involved in those cases where the investigation or the trial were in some ways messed up and this can be proven – except of course the end result with that could be to make the systems fail in worse ways that they do now, with extra time and resources spent in trials trying to decide whether some past failure would have been preventable then or not. I think some of them were specifically wiped out for them. Less reading, writing, and arithmetic and more social programs. As an E-5 I ran a twenty-man shop. Krowdexx - Victim Of Society is the latest release on Gearbox Digital. [Intro] That being said, those that are actually guilty of sexual assault (which does not mean staring to long at a womans assets, that she obviously paid good money to make stareworthy) should be, as Tom said, Christianized. He went to prison in spite of the fact that everyone agreed he was utterly mad and not responsible for his actions (by legal standards, I hasten to add). However if I don’t do it and no one else does, the system that provides workers and consumers will not be in good shape. Prison isn’t a deterrent, it’s graduate school. No– I didn’t see it. Your argument that people who are poor/unemployed won’t have babies is, to put bluntly, a load of bunk. Crappy job fewer babies. The reason we are seeing such a breakdown of civilization in our time (imho) is that families are being broken, discipline is not allowed to civilize our small children, and a lot of crap is being taught in the schools. Motherfuckers by A Victim Of Society published on 2018-11-07T17:48:12Z. At least not a guaranteed one. Maybe that’s the problem with some people like Gosnell and others like him, they weren’t properly socialized as children. However the means are not there,. Even the great apes swat their little ones.–. At some level or another, we ALL were thwarted or traumatized or “abused”  It’s impossible to go through life without doing it. Thank you– of course it went into the junk mail… *sigh– I just got it . It is ridiculous to be told that an 18 year old is of legal age, but is also a child. I don’t believe so. As we’ve seen too often lately, often the wrong man or woman is convicted. Pap, pop! Do you have evidence that they were never told that killing a bunch of other kids is wrong? BUT I wanted to believe the “it’s all society’s fault” at least society writ small. You don't want the convicts to come through vex (yup) Make it too awful and you lose that. Examples of this are prominently featured in David Drake’s RCN tales, specifically Adele Mundy and her aide. [Outro:] GGG-GGG- G-Unit! For myself I won’t hold myself to any given abstract when making such decisions and I’ve been to law school so I can say this instance is different and rationalize distinctions with the best or worst of them – pick both. The gansgters in banking control the money and the street gangs aren’t all stupid, they have friends and family in the school district and the DMV as well as have Internet access and far more resources than your family can muster, Fact is they are better suited to play the atrocity game than you and as Mexico has shown, good at it too. This is akin to excusing terrorism with “they’re poor”. This Is My Hood Something as significant as murder ought be accompanied by ritual. Deal. And none of us ladies, including the secretaries, had any trouble with anyone after that. I was using capitalism to mean something else. The money sent us our wave caps to Venice What explains humans being willing to go out and eliminate vast numbers of innocents? Well since it seems to use the actual Sierra AGI engine, it should resemble the old Sierra adventures quite strongly! Man I'ma keep it real (real), the most these niggas dyin' over 'nada Most of the farm families from the turn of the century until the late 1940s also had large families, so they had farm hands (sons, or the folks that married his daughters, if he was lucky). The US Constitution is the experiment with underpinnings that all men (and women) are created equal (i.e. “Urban environment” “Other races” “social capital”. Teach as many people as you can about capitalism and the real freedom afforded by the Constitution. Greens in other words. One thing you have to consider also, is what they actually meant when they were talking about “cruel and unusual punishment”. Given the only cited thing was that they hear voices — that’s not being unable to tell right from wrong. And unfortunately it’s utterly wrong. Such is the dichotomy of my life. As to the incarceration/execution issue, the problem is painfully obvious to anyone who’s studied the US prison system for more than five minutes. I dropped him with one rake to the tender places. The notion is that to be *guilty* you must have the capacity to know better. As Chesterton observed, original sin is the only theological doctrine for which anyone can see direct evidence. Anything less is simply rudeness. This is stupid of me, as I’m very ignorant of the demographics, and the different farming systems involved. The idea is that people are basically good, and that there must be an environmental cause that turns people bad. I did trade school sorry. Come take a look at where I come from (damn, damn) That’s why I said pure subsistence– because the term is also used to mean “barely getting by.” People traded– they had to so they could hire hands. I thought I was wrong once, but then I figured out that was incorrect. If you make it first and foremost retribution, you can justify it on the grounds that it is punishment, that he has forfeited his right to not be meddled with because of his guilt. Don't be a victim of society Evidence is that one of them was a sociopath and would not have cared. For all I know in some alternate world Slovik was honored for his IMHO very real contribution to the American war effort – his blank check if you will was cashed in an unusual way so be it – and some say Judas was the hero of the Zealots. Prior to, probably most of the capital was land and maybe livestock, without a whole lot of complex machines. 'Cause niggas is scheme on ya, man, the hood ain't right I think it was Hazlett who defined capitalism as what spontaneously occurs when the people participating are left alone to do it. However it will sell you a .38 and you can solve the problem you own damn self. T hey need wise leaders”. If you look at the evidence, what you see is that people are basically bad, unless they make a conscious effort to be good. Including yourself. Picking your situation and your past event is tricky, which is why it’s hung around me for so long without becoming a full fledged story. Not to mention that if I could get the votes and support for implementation, that capital could probably be used to alleviate some of my concerns more cheaply, even if doing that would please the inner spoiled brat less. The bulk of society does not accept that things are not legitimate according to whether things are accepted by the bulk of society, so that view is illegitimate. Sigh and quite unfortunately but possibly not surprisingly, on this I find myself in complete agreement with you. These are the prisoners who continually assault their fellow inmates or guards. The question is whether they do, in fact, know right from wrong. According to the anthro books, Shawnee women made a practice of doing this to Shawnee men who annoyed them. Like it or not, there are some folks who deserve to die for what they did. Assuming that which you need to prove is a logical fallacy which renders all development based upon those premises invalid. They underestimate the strong and they pity the weak Foxfier, I’ve got to learn to couch my bitter sarcasm so it is more obvious. Some of the stuff that is done these days, at least when the people involved know what they are doing, amounts to a unified system that does both capital and labor, and looks like it might be outside of the scope of what the early industrialists could figure out from the background they hand. It's all I hear (Doesn’t mean remotely what it’s taken to mean.) The solution is wiring. It took me a while to realize that employees don’t just get paid for their labor– they don’t have to deal with the mental and emotional issues involved in being in charge, and if a situation is stable enough they even have income security. Her contentions are her children, Heaven help him who denies!— Actually, when the facts were known about the Boston bombing, my first thought was “Incompetents”, and my next five minutes or so were spent thinking up plans that could have done more damage. You say you are middle-aged– I am 52 and I was seeing the beginning of the deterioration of education in the mid 60s. On the other hand, the madness thing – in a way all humans are mad, caught between intellectual vision and desire and the animal body. The question was not whether solitary confinement was unpleasant and something to avoid. If you hit it too hard, you'd be dazed back for minutes Impeachment does that. Stream live CNN, FOX News Radio, and MSNBC. There’s another face of evil, and I have no evidence that there’s genetics involved. Lingerie on silicon ballin' they tit Blind (because too young) babies left to die in pain and cold? The born, not made. Pity I have that nasty honest streak that keeps getting in the way. We’d be singing either Horst Wessel Lied or the International, How we get way from greed I good and back to muzzle not the ox without the state is the big question, Let me also introduce you to the forerunner of the end of the unskilled job, Baxter, http://www.rethinkrobotics.com/index.php/products/baxter/. Often the prosecuting attorney is playing a political game. The therapeutic approach OTOH DOESN’T. My mom and dad supplemented my dad’s income by growing vegetables, raising rabbits, having a cow or two, and during my high school years, my raising pigs as a 4H project. Everywhere you go, so We can muzzle the ox– as you say by first taking out unnecessary regulation and laws. Plague Of Confusion by A Victim Of Society published on 2018-11-07T18:08:41Z. That said, that may be simple ignorance and nitpicking speaking. please note this is not blanket approval of the death penalty by any stretch…, Well, strictly speaking, I’d think that the only death penalty proponents who would be okay with ‘blanket approval’ would be those willing to see anyone and everyone dead. Your arguments against solitary confinement and execution are value judgments which you have failed to support. Trust me, even those who haven’t read my books, be assured that I can dream up horrible scenarios. Bring everything down to the local government. Bingo. Do we keep them in with the other prisoners and expose the state to law suits for not protecting others? Witch’s Daughter FREE NOVEL IN INSTALLMENTS. It produces good drama, which is why it remains the standard. or the ones that were hiring works for the orchards sure as heck had the means of production while the folks they hired had only their own labor to sell! The offender has lost the easy respect they were given before; now they have to find out what a tremendous gift it had been. Part of “getting away with it” is getting it past your internal punishment, too. You must be under forty. It… I have to say I disagree with the idea that “it all starts with thinking you can get away with it”. send it to sahoyt at hotmail dot com. The closest I’ve come is a novel where a number of characters attribute their current lives to certain incidents about the heroine’s mother’s wedding. The above was intended to be a reply > to Mary. He’s in a specialist psychiatric prison, and we are likely better off, he’s likely better off, for his being there, but what bothers me is that it’s certain he’s there only because he was convicted in between the many changes in California’s penal laws. On that subject, one of my favorite passages from Pratchett’s “Carpe Jugulum”: “It is not as simple as that. The Federal has defined powers– protect the US with the military, trade agreements– (can’t remember off the top of the head what the third one is)… Get rid of many of those overreaching Departments. Thank you for this , I remember just after the Columbine shootings when everyone was asking how those boys could do such a thing, and my answer was simply, “No one ever told them it was wrong.”. A lil' heart, and it'll spark Nor tomorrow. I’d say any number of us fall there or very close to it. In a novel, all the characters were affected by some disaster in the past. A few are but the vast bulk of homicides are either crimes of passion or in gang land are basically tribal warfare. Also you are kind of assuming that people who don’t know you, don’t share a faith with you, probably aren’t your race and are only marginal participants in this society have moral obligations to you. Or they might get off on it and inspire them to go on a crime spree. What is legitmate is in fact subject to change, The arch example here is chattel slavery in the US. “Now I don’t know how you come down Amazing how Sir Pratchett keeps coming around to basic, solid truths from an odd direction, no? Patriarchy is bad. deterrence will do, but sometimes just stopping the guy from doing it again is the only thing you can aim for, and there’s only one SURE way to do that. They should suffer HIS fate. There are these sorts of cases under strong man governments. They don’t farm for a living (can’t make it), but for food on the table. More pertinent: Who is more likely to commit another murderer: one imprisoned “for life” who could escape or be paroled, or one put to death? So once again, the immaturity has come from education, the illegalization of discipline, and some disinterest of raising children from the parents. Any officer of the government (such as an Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division of the United States Department of Justice, to pick a f’rinstance) proven to have lied to the Congress or the Courts in sworn testimony, ought forever be enjoined against higher office requiring Congressional Advice & Consent. Society - # 1. I never fully bought into the “if we just got rid of capitalism” – it didn’t compute. There are a number of reasons for this, but one of the biggest (and most overlooked) is the fact that sex is very cheap entertainment. Etc. I tend to think that the pot smokers deserve to be treated capitally. Frankly, I have a tendency to avoid looking too closely at real world mystical practices. Anybody know what the hourly cost (including benefits and pension funds) for California prison guards might be, or what educational and other requirements are required? I am sure that gang members do love their families– even the most violent men of history loved their families. Most of the 9/11 attackers were quite well off, thank you. Death on the other hand is simply the natural order of things. And live lives only the BETTERS should have. Why? To belong to the group, a member has to toe the dogma, which is why we say that it has become their religion. None of that was heat of the moment. Yes, that’s basically what he/she/it is saying. Anyone who murdered, tortured, destroyed another human being (while I understand the evils of property damage/theft, it still most of the time falls short of totally destroying someone) only did it because he was a victim of society. I’m not claiming that Pratchett’s definition here is a theological masterpiece, by any means I do think that “people as things” is a remarkably good check on whether or not you’re straying into territories that a soul should not wander through. Once the population of industrial workers* got its feet under it, and got big enough, then it could add enough to make pissing it off a problem. So after that incident no one bothered me. Of course, others WILL notice, as my wife keeps telling me. Even love to learn the streets... You'll be a victim of society But we haven’t made it unpleasant enough to make people do almost anything, like work for a living or not behave like monsters, to try and avoid it. Shut up. and have money. Currently prison isn’t much in the way of revenge. (Actually, when the facts were known about the Boston bombing, my first thought was “Incompetents”, and my next five minutes or so were spent thinking up plans that could have done more damage. Penal couple. We (as the taxable public) wind up running around and around like Li’l (black) Sambo’s tigers until we wind up melting into butter. The other is having issues, G-d alone knows why. You’re going to kidnap another young woman. I actually have a copy of Mick Farren’s “Last Stand Of The DNA Cowboys” on my shelf, somewhere. (not so much). Who owns it? the rest of us being told we have to accept them. As I’ve told my kids. Take the “do we kill him?” question out of the hands of squeamish (or bloodthirsty) amateurs, and place it where it belongs — with people who have to deal with this shit regularly. It is why we want to see limited government. If we let Charly or his girls out the people will crucify US.”. VICTIM OF SOCIETY. At the same time I’ve been reading – malgre moi – bits and pieces of the freak show that was the Gosnell operation. These industry niggas playin' the role, they ain't from the street Funny thing, nobody ever suggests that forbidding women and gays from serving would vastly reduce the number of such charges. It admitted that most people preferred retribution, but that did not cause criminals to stop offending — i.e., they were rehabilitated, even though that was not the aim chosen. We thought we could make booze illegal but because the bulk of people though the law was dumb and did not grant it legitimacy and there was not enough force ,it failed. Life isn’t really like that–there *are* grey areas, and sometimes the answer to This or That is yes (which also means that sometimes it’s no). Resort to experiment, research, inquiry and other such measures are the mark of inferior mentalities and taint the conclusions. Oh, I know. Certainly it doesn’t make a very interesting story. And the proof for that punishment should be really, really good – even if the crime is really heinous, but it can’t be proven without no doubt that the person accused is the one who did it it would be, I think, better to keep the person in jail rather than to kill, just in case some new evidence might come up later. Now certainly you can treat the whole endeavor as tribal war and hope your law enforcement doesn’t come down on you but its doomed to fail. Pervert, meet your new best friends: Mr. Tree Branch and Mr. By definition anything that God would tell you to do is right. That is just the latest theory. A person who is tricked, swindled, or taken advantage of: the victim of a cruel hoax. Perhaps a year delay after conviction before the sentencing takes place. heck killing someone over a debt isn’t immoral in some societies , directly or indirectly (the police cometo seize your stuff, you regard it as theftm they kill you) and in the past it was common. No need to run, real beef follows you They knew what they were doing was unlawful, of course, but they had planned from the beginning to take their own lives, so they knew that they wouldn’t be tried and sent to jail. There is an argument that the incidence of sociopathology is far greater than acknowledged, but many sociopaths theoretically find it in their interest to adapt the protective coloration of “normal” members of society. There were tens of thousands of others like him, and in fact, in some parts of the South, still are. The liberal approach to crime is simply wrong from the beginning. But the memory would linger and be more of a deterrent. We can choose to do what is right, or we can choose to do what is wrong. But because it makes for good drama, it’s everywhere in fiction (even superhero movies). Authors and dramatists have been using that template since Ibsen. The Crime Survey of England and Wales shows us that crime rates are higher in areas of high unemployment and deprivation. Well, I understand what you mean, but there are plenty of intensely selfish people in the world who find suffering and pain of others to be icky, and charity to be socially gratifying. One does it, and washes ones hands and goes back to work. But even in a very good system I think I’d reserve it for cases like repeat offenders, serial killers or the like, those people who most likely would continue to be a danger to others. Hoepfully automation won’t reac a poin in which TFR stays below replacemnt forever or the human race is basically toast but thats a while off. He worked as a lumberjack most of the late fall and winter to provide money to buy what he couldn’t raise. The overall unemployment rate is 27%, among those 15to 24 (the last four years being peak fertility) its 65%. They tend to make good friends and bad enemies. I have a specific method in mind also. Lyrics to 'Victim Of Society' by Cage. You need a gun, you need a clip And the only true victims are the dead, the maimed and the coerced. Yes, original sin and man’s fallen nature work well enough for that, but the issue is convincing people and coercing them not to do certain things. Self medication or recreational use of certain classes of substances can probably make that worse. There’s a woman who got off when she murdered her child because a spider told her to do it. Vic-tim of so-sigh-it-e, victim of so siiiiigh itie….. My theory on why some people are evil is that they are in some way wired wrong. Become a Fan Remove Fan. This means that all sorts of things get put under the umbrella, from crony capitalism to various sorts of notions contaminated by socialism and communism. An obvious distinction that no doubt escaped you. Not to mention, in Europe and elsewhere, the labor situation, with serfs and slaves where serfdom and slavery were practiced. The common saying, “some people are alive simply because it is illegal to kill them” is an example of this. Hank's Quest: Victim of Society is described by the authors as being "A whole new adventure-game in that 'Classic Sierra Style' we all came to love so dearly". For people with that philosophy, fear of punishment is a deterrent. Sorry – Capitalism, Free Markets, Democracy whatever you call it – is the basis for Evil* in this world. That’s what sin is.”, “No it ain’t. And yes I know some people will make it, that’s not the point. Amen, sister veteran.Make it hurt the first time, never a second time. I’d bet you’ve never looked someone in the eye who preyed on young women, driving the streets looking for teens and young adults to kidnap, abuse and kill. Social Class – The poorest groups are actually more likely to be victims of crime. I only know that the system is cracked and needs repairs, The system is made of humans. ;-) AMEN to you too–. Sociopaths, largely, are born not made. I know what you are talking about, I think I even heard the formal name back when I was reading up more on industrial/process/manufacturing engineering. Nah, just a big knot. Speaking of which… Sarah, sent an elevator pitch to your blogtourinvites email address, on just this sort of thing. Unprovoked and awful charges—even so the she-bear fights,